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Apple: Samsung shirked FRAND obligations, filed suit before making a licensing offer

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Thursday, May 23, 2013, 05:54 pm

Apple: Samsung shirked FRAND obligations, filed suit before making a licensing offerBy Kevin Bostic

Samsung abused its rights as a standard-essential patent holder, Apple said Wednesday, by filing a complaint with the International Trade Commission before even trying to come to an agreement with the Cupertino company over licensing terms.

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Apple noted the abuse in an ITC statement on Wednesday, which was subsequently discovered by FOSS Patents on Thursday. In it, Apple summarizes why a recent FRAND decision ? from the case RealTek v. LSI/Agere ? runs parallel to the complaint Samsung lodged with the ITC.

"The Realtek case is strikingly similar to the instant case. Samsung brought an ITC complaint before making any offer specific to its declared-essential patents, let alone a FRAND-compliant offer. Just as in Realtek, when Apple responded to the ITC complaint by requesting that Samsung provide FRAND terms for the specific asserted patents, Samsung responded by making a non-FRAND demand based on the total price of the accused Apple products--rather than the cost of the relevant accused components. Indeed, Samsung's conduct here is even more egregious--[redacted] In short, just as in Realtek, Samsung's pursuit of an ITC exclusion order directly conflicts with its FRAND commitments."


The RealTek case involved a dispute over the IEEE 802.11 WLAN standard, with Agere, the patent holder, suing RealTek for alleged infringement. The court issued a summary judgment finding in RealTek's favor, ruling that Agere had breached its obligation to license essential technologies in a fair, reasonable, and non-discriminatory (FRAND) manner. The court found further breach in that Agere had sought an injunction before even offering licensing terms.

Apple, in pointing to the RealTek case, is hoping for the same sort of decision to be handed down in its own proceedings. In the RealTek case, the court barred the patent holder from asserting its patent in court without first extending a FRAND offer.

The ITC is scheduled to render a final decision on the FRAND patent case brought by Samsung against Apple in the coming weeks.

Apple ITC Statement on Samsung Licensing by Mikey Campbell

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Samsung is in violation of so many things, filing a suit before it was necessary was probably a knee-jerk reaction from being in court so much.

Bunch of thieves. I hope Samsung gets nailed to the wall. Shame that our court system is so incredibly slow and ineffective in dealing with such violations in a timely manner.

So when will they schedule a hearing? September of 2016?

nagromme2013/05/23 06:13pm

Remember, though: Apple ALWAYS sues everyone. Nobody ever sues Apple.

Apple is always wrong--work backwards from there to justify anything 1smile.gif

ericthehalfbee2013/05/23 06:14pm

Things just keep getting worse for Samsung. Not only were their demands outrageous (as Motorola was recently found to be), but they never even made an offer in the first place.

Where are all the people who posted that Apple was an "unwilling licensee"? How can you be unwilling without there even being an offer in the first place? Samsung's true colors are being revealed more and more as these cases progress. A truly corrupt company.

Imagine they'll all avoid this discussion just like they're avoiding the Google 3D Maps discussion.

hmm2013/05/23 06:49pm

Quote:Originally Posted by sflocal?View Post

Samsung is in violation of so many things, filing a suit before it was necessary was probably a knee-jerk reaction from being in court so much.

Bunch of thieves. I hope Samsung gets nailed to the wall. Shame that our court system is so incredibly slow and ineffective in dealing with such violations in a timely manner.

So when will they schedule a hearing? September of 2016?

What do you think ties the court systems up? I don't think it's an issue of multitudes of empty courtrooms and judges with downtime.

Quote:Originally Posted by EricTheHalfBee?View Post

Things just keep getting worse for Samsung. Not only were their demands outrageous (as Motorola was recently found to be), but they never even made an offer in the first place.

Where are all the people who posted that Apple was an "unwilling licensee"? How can you be unwilling without there even being an offer in the first place? Samsung's true colors are being revealed more and more as these cases progress. A truly corrupt company.

Imagine they'll all avoid this discussion just like they're avoiding the Google 3D Maps discussion.

That surprises me. I would have at least expected their lawyers to catch it prior to filing.

sflocal2013/05/23 06:51pm

Quote:Originally Posted by EricTheHalfBee?View Post

Things just keep getting worse for Samsung. Not only were their demands outrageous (as Motorola was recently found to be), but they never even made an offer in the first place.

Where are all the people who posted that Apple was an "unwilling licensee"? How can you be unwilling without there even being an offer in the first place? Samsung's true colors are being revealed more and more as these cases progress. A truly corrupt company.

Imagine they'll all avoid this discussion just like they're avoiding the Google 3D Maps discussion.


Samsung's true colors were always out there for the world to see since the moment they came out with their iClone. ?Fantards, iHaters, and spinmeisters were the ones that kept trying to deflect attention to what was important to them - just hating Apple for the sake of it.

cpsro2013/05/23 06:52pm

Samsung innovation! They just move too fast for the rest of the world, ya know?

mac952013/05/23 07:09pm

Quote:Originally Posted by AppleWins?

Longtime Apple fan here.
Nevertheless, Apple's recent strategy of "competing by lawsuits" leaves an increasingly sour taste in my mouth.
Especially, when viewed in light of their unwillingness to pay their fair share on taxes.
I sure wish the Apple of old back.
What a twisted view of things.
I wish the actual Apple good luck and all the best.

winstein20102013/05/23 07:16pm

Quote:Originally Posted by AppleWins?View Post

Longtime Apple fan here.

Nevertheless, Apple's recent strategy of "competing by lawsuits" leaves an increasingly sour taste in my mouth.

Especially, when viewed in light of their unwillingness to pay their fair share on taxes.

I sure wish the Apple of old back.

It's not 8:20 yet, you are early and will NOT get a check in the mail.

gtr2013/05/23 07:16pm

Quote:Originally Posted by AppleWins?

Longtime Apple fan here.
Nevertheless, Apple's recent strategy of "defending their property by lawsuits" leaves an increasingly sour taste in my mouth.
Especially, when viewed in light of them legally paying their fair share of taxes.
I sure wish the Apple of old back.
Fixed that for you.

No fee required.

hill602013/05/23 07:23pm

Quote:Originally Posted by AppleWins?View Post

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Mate, you actually believe this crap you posted?

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So how much tax does Samsung pay in the US?

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They make a lot on the back of American innovation, which they don't want to pay for.

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Lenovo IdeaPad Y500 Review

Build and Design

The Lenovo IdeaPad Y500 sports black brushed metal casing that extends around the majority of the chassis. The metal casing employs a horizontal texture that serves to accentuate the slants and curves of the chassis' design. The dark protective metal contrasts beautifully against the bright red-backlit keyboard. The fierce and vibrant design is a staple of the gaming notebook, and Lenovo manages to capture that appeal with its cost-friendly Lenovo IdeaPad Y500. 


Measuring in at 15.2" x 10.2" x 1.4" and weighting just over 6 pounds the Lenovo Y500 is actually surprising slim for a gaming machine, especially for a device that incorporates Scalable Link Interface (SLI). It's not light, but users will have a hard time finding many gaming notebooks that are more portable than the Lenovo IdeaPad Y500. 

The metallic frame also offers a solid level of durability. The chassis proved to be extremity resistant completely withstanding applied pressure. The display case also tested well only giving slightly to pressure with no noticeable rippling occurring on screen. The Lenovo IdeaPad boasts impressive portability with the durability to take the wear and tear that travel incurs.

Ports and Features

The Lenovo IdeaPad Y500 offers a wide array of ports. The left side offers a VGA port, Ethernet port, an HDMI port, and two USB 3.0 ports. The right side offers separate mic and headphone jacks, and an always on USB 2.0 port.

The only serious issue with the ports is the placing of the two USB ports on the left-hand side of the machine. The two ports are congested making it difficult to access both ports simultaneously. Other than that everything is spaced adequately and easy to reach.

One of the key features of the Lenovo IdeaPad Y500 is its ultrabay, which is located on the right hand side of the chassis. The ultrabay allows users to customize the notebook by adding a number of different Lenovo components to the machine. The notebook that we tested came with a second (SLI-enabled) NVidia GT 650M GPU, but users could also include a HDD tray, cooling fan, or an optical DVD burner.

It's important to understand that only these Lenovo accessories are compatible with the ultrabay; other GPU cards or components will not work. While that makes the versatility of the bay rather limited, the ease of adding and removing components through the ultrabay is a welcomed addition. Changing the ultrabay component is relatively simple as well. Users simply need to shut down the device, remove the battery, unlock the bay, and then replace their ultrabay component. It's still not incredibly easy, but it's a great alternative to manually installing and removing components.

Display and Speakers

The Lenovo IdeaPad Y500 houses a 15.6" TFT color Vibrant View display with a 1920 x 1080 resolution. The display offers an incredibly clear image with a 500:1 color contrast. Both text and media reads great on the machine, and the games we tested looked beautiful on the glossy display. The one missing feature of the display is touch-capability, which would have been nice for Windows 8 functionality; but ultimately it's not a huge deal considering this is a gaming focused machine.

The display also offers extremely generous viewing angles. On the horizontal axis the display holds up well past 100 degrees with no noticeable distortion. The display fares just as well on the vertical axis with images remaining clear and crisp even at extreme angles. The only issue with the display is that the glossy surface sometimes causes background images to reflect on the display. Reflections are fairly limited though and only an issue in direct light.

The Lenovo IdeaPad Y500 houses a pair of RealTek HD speakers above the keyboard on the right and left side of the chassis. The speakers offer solid sound quality and robust amplification that can easily fill an entire room with audio. The boisterous speakers paired well with the games we tested, as the bass filled reverberations added another layer to the experience. While certainly powerful, the RealTek speakers struggle to capture the nuances of more subtle recordings. While playing an orchestral piece on the device, several distortions could be heard throughout. The faint hum wasn't too much of a deterrent, but it was certainly noticeable. Users who plan on playing games where ambient noise is important or want a high quality experience will want to use an external device.

Keyboard and TouchPad

The Lenovo IdeaPad Y500 offers a Chiclet style keyboard complete with number pad. The bright red back-lit keyboard clearly provides the aesthetic expected of a gaming device, but it also delivers the quality as well. The squared keys are braised on the top with an inward curved design providing additional friction and grip. Each key has solid compression with crisp tactile feedback allowing users to be secure in each stroke, making the keyboard perfect for typing. The lightning quick response and consistent performance ensure that the keyboard meets the lofty needs of gamers as well. Users looking for optimal performance may want to opt for a high-end external mechanical keyboard, though the built in keyboard offers more than sufficient quality.

The Lenovo IdeaPad Y500 offers a generously sized touchpad located directly below the spacebar of the keyboard. The touchpad is equipped with Synaptic drivers and devoid of buttons. Instead the pad designates the bottom left and right portion of the pad to act as mouse buttons, as denoted by a small graphic and slight downward slant of the pad. While the lack of buttons can be confusing, the slant of the pad along with the graphic allows users to know where the left and right click portions of the pad are located.

In terms of performance the pad is serviceable reading most clicks and swipes easily.  Multi-gestures read well, though there were a few instances where the touchpad failed to read input. There is a bit of friction on the pad that can make detailed functions (such as selecting a portion of text) a bit difficult; but as a gaming focused notebook, users will likely use an external mouse anyways.


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iPhone urinalysis app draws scrutiny from FDA

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Friday, May 24, 2013, 05:54 pm

iPhone urinalysis app draws scrutiny from FDABy AppleInsider Staff

Biosense Technologies' uChek system turns Apple's iPhone into a capable urinalysis device, and now the Food and Drug Administration is saying that it may need to clear the medical app lest developers risk violating federal law.


UChek relies on test strips from Siemens and Bayer, and those strips are only approved for visual reading, according to Bloomberg. uChek's app, though, uses the iPhone's camera to analyze the testing strip and return a result for a user.

The FDA has sent a letter to the system's developers, saying that the agency was concerned about uChek's usage and that Biosense should contact the agency to discuss the app.

"We intend to work very closely with the U.S. FDA over the coming months to ensure that we continue to deliver accurate, affordable, and convenient diagnostics across the world," Biosense's founder told Bloomberg.

Since it is used for diagnostic functions, uChek falls under the purview of the FDA, which has been looking to restructure its regulations in order to handle the increasing presence of iOS devices in the medical field.

"We intend to finalize the guidance this year," an agency spokesperson told Bloomberg. "The FDA has proposed a regulatory approach that limits its immediate oversight to a specific, small subset of mobile medical applications that are medical devices and present the greatest risk to patient safety if they don't work as intended."

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For a sec there I though it was a physical attachment that you directly pee on.

anantksundaram2013/05/24 06:17pm

Oops. The Feds are pissed.

mstone2013/05/24 06:26pm

I wonder what the target market is for this system. Hospitals and clinics already have commercial testing equipment. If their system did drug testing then I could see a huge market for it, but after reading the web site, apparently it is not for that purpose. Currently available private use drug test cards are about $5 a test.

inkling2013/05/24 06:30pm

Interesting app, but I used to work in a hospital. I wonder how often busy staff will go through that long procedure: pasteboard box setup, alignment and all. Most color lab strips can be read with the eye in a few seconds in a patient's room. This seems to take a minute or more just for the test and you can't leave an iPhone lying around waiting to be snitched.

That said, if the strip plus app is accurate enough to replace pricey lab tests, it makes sense. If it's just in place of a quick, is there blood/protein in the urine check, it matters less.

Also, as a practical matter, a more theft-proof, table-top device that's easier and quicker to setup would be better. Staff could slide the strip in, push a button, and come back few minutes later for the on-screen results. And if the cost savings of going with an iPhone justifies it, that device could use a built-in phone, report the data by Wifi or cellular, and even alarm for out-of-normal results.

In a hospital, speed of use matters as much as cost. Staff don't have the time wait around for scans and calculations.

--Michael W. Perry, author of Hospital Gowns and Other Embarrassments

mstone2013/05/24 06:35pm

Quote:Originally Posted by Inkling?View Post

In a hospital, speed of use matters as much as cost. Staff don't have the time wait around for scans and calculations.

Well considering that it is recorded digitally may lend itself to integration with a patient management system which could save time and costs.

isaidso2013/05/24 06:39pm

Use that app, and urine for a big surprise.

lilgto642013/05/24 07:05pm

iPod with camera instead of iPhone should work too right??

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If I understand the video - the point of the setup is to standardize the exposure etc - and that the test strip itself takes a number of minutes to read - not that the app takes minutes to process - which means a person would have to watch a clock and make observations over a period of time - which are subject to variations in lighting and subjective interpretation of comparing colors - could also be affected by the person's ability to distinguish shades of color.?

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Could see an iPod somehow attached to a cart used for this purpose to prevent it walking off. also having the (video or photos?) taken at defined intervals should reduce errors in results produced.?

teaearlegreyhot2013/05/24 07:16pm

Quote:Originally Posted by mstone?View Post

I wonder what the target market is for this system. Hospitals and clinics already have commercial testing equipment. If their system did drug testing then I could see a huge market for it, but after reading the web site, apparently it is not for that purpose. Currently available private use drug test cards are about $5 a test.

mstone, Many patients, including myself, must regularly check their own urine using these sorts of dipsticks. ?Several times per day. ?

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Just today I was looking for an app merely to record my results on, before deciding that my iPhone's "notepad" app was all I needed. ?However, the type of app described in this article would be extremely useful, especially if it included a timing alarm, since the readings must be taken at a 30 or 60 second interval, depending. ?

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Now, as a scientist, I will say that the obvious problem with this app is the limitations on it's ability to correlate a color shade with a standard. ?Typically, these test strips are supplied with a reference card which the user compares the color of the dipstick with the color on the card. ?The color graduations can be subtle in hue and brightness. The reference card must be printed using an ink and paper system that is proven to be stable through the expiration date of the test strip lot number. ?The human eye is able to automatically "color balance" objects to compensate for the ambient light (such as tungsten or fluorescent lamps, or sunshine, etc.) Because the eye is comparing the stick to a reference that is illuminated by exactly the same light source, the comparison is valid. ?

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I have not used the UChek device, but it is POSSIBLE that it merely photographs the dipstick, and electronically compares the colors it sees to an internal standard. ?Thus, the snapshot of the dipstick will reflect colors under the influence of a lighting system not accounted for by the Uchek device, and thus yield incorrect results. ?Furthermore, I have noted that different brands of these kits do not use exactly the same shades on their reference cards, nor at the same concentration increments. So if the patient is using a different brand than supported by the Uchek device, the results will be incorrect. ?Because the diagnostic medical nature of these kits can be critically important in disease management, such arbitrary variation is unacceptable. ?Of course, it is also POSSIBLE that the Uchek device uses the iPhone to photograph both the dipstick and the users reference card, simultaneously, and also allows the user to assign the values to the colors on the reference card. ?Unfortunately, it is not so easy to hold a dipstick, a reference card (often glued to the test strip bottle), and also manage the iPhone to take a photograph, with only two hands. ?Furthermore, close-up photography is subject to incidental shadows and non-uniformities in brightness, even when a flash is used, and so the result COULD still be inaccurate.

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HOWEVER, if the makers of Uchek can satisfy the FDA on these and other aspects which I may not have thought of, this would be an excellent aid to my ongoing regimen.?

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I am not a physician, nor affiliated with any medical test kit manufacturer, and the statements above are my own opinions only.

teaearlegreyhot2013/05/24 07:27pm

Having now visited the Uchek website, I see that they do photograph a color standard at the same time as the dipstick, which is terrific. ?Many teststrips are not solely for visual scoring, and can be used by hospitals etc. with a high-end machine. ?It appears the Uchek system is trying to provide that sort of scoring system for the home user. ?Awesome! ?I still wonder about light-leakage around the edges of the photography box, and the ability to correlate the Uchek color panel with various brands of color panels. ?But it does sound very promising. ?I hope the FDA finds that this is an acceptable medical device!

mydoghasfleas2013/05/24 07:35pm

Was going to post "cue piss jokes in 3...2...1..." But I see I'm already too late..

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Apple's iPhone sales tactics in Europe under antitrust investigationBy Neil Hughes

The executive body of the European Union is investigating whether Apple is engaging in anticompetitive practices with its iPhone sales tactics across the continent.

Documents obtained by the Financial Times show that the European Commission has begun looking into whether Apple's agreements with carriers are illegal. The commission has expressed concern that the deals could ensure Apple's rivals cannot secure better sales agreements.

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The investigation reportedly began after the commission received "private complaints from mobile operators." The commission's investigation remains preliminary, and no formal charges have been brought against Apple.

The investigation was brought to light by questionnaires sent by the commission to mobile operators across Europe. The nine-page document reportedly inquires whether carriers are being forced to buy a minimum number of iPhones, or if they are restricted on how to use their marketing budgets.

The document also asks whether Apple enforces any clauses on subsidies for handsets that compete with the iPhone, and it quizzes operators on whether contractual restrictions prevent the iPhone 5 from accessing high-speed 4G networks in Europe. Carriers have until June 17 to reply to the questionnaire.

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Surely any manufacturer can set the terms of its own distribution agreement? If you don't like them don't sign up.

frood2013/05/27 08:34am

Quote:Originally Posted by digitalclips?View Post

Surely any manufacturer can set the terms of its own distribution agreement?

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As long as they don't violate any laws...

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Competing with your products instead of distribution clauses is the way to go.?

joshuarayer2013/05/27 08:55am

Quote:Originally Posted by digitalclips?View Post

Surely any manufacturer can set the terms of its own distribution agreement? If you don't like them don't sign up.

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Apple pretty much sets the contract from my understanding and if the carrier doesnt like it, they dont get the iPhone. It has already been made known that Sprint is losing money from carrying the iPhone because of the contract that Apple requires. For other carriers, they probably see it as, "If we dont have the iPhone, we will lose our customers to the competition who have been waiting for their contract to end so they can get the iPhone with someone else."

zoffdino2013/05/27 09:05am

I don't see anything illegal in making a product that the market really really wants, then squeeze the balls on everyone who's trying to sell that product to extract maximum profit from it.

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Yet legality away, Apple is a bitch when it comes to negotiation. Apple wants deals that are often favorable to them, at the expense of its partners. I wouldn't mind seeing Apple lower the bar a bit and make the phones available to more carriers to increase its customer base.

herbapou2013/05/27 09:38am

Quote:Originally Posted by joshuarayer?View Post

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Apple pretty much sets the contract from my understanding and if the carrier doesnt like it, they dont get the iPhone. It has already been made known that Sprint is losing money from carrying the iPhone because of the contract that Apple requires. For other carriers, they probably see it as, "If we dont have the iPhone, we will lose our customers to the competition who have been waiting for their contract to end so they can get the iPhone with someone else."

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Indeed. Apple way of dealing with the carriers is rotten to the bone. All the concerns in the investigation are valid. Bullying the carriers is a double edge sword, especially when youre products are on the decline.

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Because of the big market share in the US, the US carriers have no choice to accept Apple terms. I have seen numerous times Verizon and AT&T CEO's on CNBC complaining about subsidies and how they would loved to get rid of them, mainly because of Apple way of doing business with them.? If you are wondering why the carriers stores push anything but the iphone to the customers, its because they hate Apple.

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Elsewhere in the world, lost of carriers are not offering the iphone because of unacceptable Apple terms. To a lot of internationnal carriers, Apple tiny market share in there countries make it difficult for Apple to strike deals because?the carriers?dont care if they dont?offer the iphone.??So on top of not having there products being distributed, Apple is getting an anti-trust lawsuit. If there is one country where an anti-trust lawsuit should be made, its the US.

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This is one the reasons Apple absolutly must deliver a sub $300, so it can be sold unlock by lots of internationnal carriers. I hope Apple gets to his sense and stop?bullying the? people that sell there products.

jragosta2013/05/27 09:48am

Quote:Originally Posted by AppleInsider?

Previous European Union investigations of Apple have taken a closer look at the company's warranty practices and the iPad maker's e-book deals with publishers. But those inquiries have not led to formal antitrust lawsuits.
'Nuff said.

Apple is a big target and gets investigated all the time. Big deal.

herbapou2013/05/27 09:53am

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'Nuff said.

Apple is a big target and gets investigated all the time. Big deal.

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Actually, the warranty problem did trigger a lot of lawsuits in EU. The only reason those lawsuit were drop is because Apple made modifications to there warranties. They extended them to 2 years and made it clear AppleCare was only for the third year.

anantksundaram2013/05/27 10:37am

Quote:Originally Posted by herbapou?

Indeed. Apple way of dealing with the carriers is rotten to the bone. All the concerns in the investigation are valid.
LOL. Another moronic post from our resident option-expert-turned-EU-commercial-law-expert.

tallest skil2013/05/27 10:38am

Originally Posted by joshuarayer?View Post
Apple pretty much sets the contract from my understanding and if the carrier doesnt like it, they dont get the iPhone.?

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Right, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that under any valid system of belief.


Originally Posted by herbapou?View Post
Apple way of dealing with the carriers is rotten to the bone. All the concerns in the investigation are valid. Bullying the carriers is a double edge sword, especially when youre products are on the decline.

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Oh, SHUT UP. Tell me, what magical "right" do the carriers have to the iPhone? Huh? Why do they "deserve" it? Why should Apple bow to the wishes of those who WILL give their users a worse experience than Apple wants?

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